title: Episode 24: The Dive Talk Diving Challenge
author: DIVE TALK
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publication: DIVE TALK
published: 2020-12-11T12:00:00-05:00
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Welcome everyone to dive talk episode number 24. You know for this episode, I was thinking about The things that have happened this year and and goals and things we accomplished in spite of the You know the the whole COVID-19 pandemic and all of that and all of the things that we should strive through accomplished in 2021 You know one of the things that I started last year was I became a member of this thing called a strenuous life Which is this group of men essentially that we get together and we do strenuous stuff like challenges and tough things and I know you do some other stuff But you guys mainly climb I think oh no we do Backcountry skiing we do a T skiing. Well, we'll hike up ice cliffs and then ski down We do climbing It includes hardcore like outdoor adventures What is it that you did this weekend because I saw the pictures this weekend. Well, it looks sketchy. Yeah, yeah This was it wasn't sketchy. It's Red Rock's Canyon climbing. That's where Alex Hummel the guy who did yeah free solo He lives out there and climbs it all the time But remember this stuff that we're doing is very Extreme but with years of training for sure like to be able to climb what we climbed this past weekend was That's after seven years of Training to be able to climb to that level for sure So yes, we have a group of people that we do that with we call it Bayamabadi in mind And it's all these type of activities and it's sort of like we push each other as I'm sure your group does right because When you're with each other, but I don't believe in pushing Somebody outside of their bounds of training. That's the difference for sure nothing we do You would not be able to come on one of our trips and let's you proved yourself around Professionals that we bring that look at you evaluate you and say you can do this Yeah, I think this one is a little bit differently. I think this one is more about learning skills that In some ways, you know, you don't learn them like you know like one of the outings that we did we learn how to make fire without like matches and Stuff like that like out out in the wild Another one I think they did I don't know if it was you know whether it was shooting or archery or whatever like they you know They do something differently every time which is pretty cool But one of the things that they've done at the trainer's life is they they give away badges So once you complete certain skills You can apply and some of them do require even video you have to submit video proof But you get a batch and obviously there's people out there that are collecting this batches Which is a way to motivate themselves to learn new skills and accomplish things But one of the things that I noticed is that there's no even though there's dozens of badges out there There's nothing for scuba diving which I would love because out that will be the batch that I go for immediately But there's not a batch for scuba diving the closest one that I noticed on the on the side is one called the frog man Which is pretty much how they call Navy seals? So I thought it was interesting that they pick frog man the frog man badge But I'll tell you the things that you have to accomplish in order to get this batch and you tell me what you think All right, so first you need to be able to swim 50 feet with shoes and clothes on All right, so that's one of the surface. Yeah, just yeah, all right close toes shoes So like full on clothes you have to be able to swim 50 feet not hard Die from the surface to seven or ten feet deep Nothing and retrieve a weight of at least ten pounds or more a problem I mean these are not hard yet now are yet, right? Taken past the Navy seal on the water not tying test. I don't know how hard that is but sounds depends on the knots I guess yeah, exactly so you have to practice yeah, you have to practice Throw a rope to someone in the water who's at least 30 feet out from you and pull them in Okay, yeah, so like rescue somebody we do that kind of in the rescue class anyway. Yeah Pull a person to shore by extending to them a pole a branch and or etc Swim 200 yards using good form Broken down by and then they broke it down by some other requirements in there Demonstrate the ability to turn either and by the way the requirements are side stroke backstroke You have to you have to show multiple outstrokes in there Let's see demonstrate the ability to turn either your pants or your shirt into an improvised flotation device. Mm-hmm. Sounds interesting Float as motionless as possible for one minute That's interesting Enter the water in complete silence swim silently for 50 feet leave water in complete silence underwater That's weird have a friend have a friend percent to give you a pass or fail or have a friend Press and to give you a pass or fail, which is interesting I don't know I guess they what they put a blindfold on a safe stuff. Okay. Yeah, I guess so Treadwater while holding a break in the following sequence 30 seconds both hands in the water with the brick 30 seconds right hand out of the water with the brick 30 seconds both hands in the water and then 30 seconds left hand out of The water with the brick so you have to tread water for two minutes and you know with a brick Treadwater in close for 20 minutes with full on close Swim for 25 feet on their water taking a maximum of two breaths. Come on. That one is easy. Mm-hmm With any stroke swim one mile in a pool or half a mile in open water Okay, and lastly perform a simulator water rescue Which includes physically towing someone through the water from the water to safety. Yeah, so that's you know part of the rescue So that is if you complete all of that you get the frogman batch, okay, which is pretty cool Kind of cool thing. Yeah, it's kind of cool and there's dozens again out there But that made me think about if we were coming up with our scuba batch Which by the way, I just want to let you know something Not if oh, but I just thought about this we are going to create a dive-talk scuba batch Literally challenge a lot of coffee right now so that just hit my brain. Why not? Let's do it. Let's put one together. We should now this show will just be suggestions on that I know so don't hold that as that's it. We'll think about it further Let's think about that a little bit further, but let's materialize that idea during this show I don't know if it's evident that we don't have a script for these shows. Oh, oh This one we are literally Forming this idea as we speak, which is really really cool. Are you about to ask me what would we consider One of the some of the criteria to earn our dive talk scuba batch But that's that's the that's the beauty of coming up with a batch because it has to be challenging I love it. I love it and you know, we own it We we can put whatever we want it very awesome. Yeah, because now I like it a lot because if you think about it like the The master diver for example, which is the the highest recreational level you can get to You can accomplish that with without ever diving in the sea without ever diving a night for example You can just you know dive at a quarry right 50 times get some specialties which include things like you know See ecology or whatever specialties I assume I think the only one is the rescue Plus the first is gonna be the real deal when you get our bad I'm already thinking of some things it's gonna be a badge That I want exactly. Okay, let's put it that way. Yeah, exactly We got to figure out how we're gonna present the badge and what the rules are and do they have to take photos to document We'll come up with all of this everybody because Gus and I are looking at each other right now like this is alive We did we're this is I don't know what we're gonna do But this happening we're making this happen. I love it. All right, so let's come up with some challenges again It has to be challenging so what what do you think what should be like some of the things that all right the first one I that jumps out at me is I really do think you have to have at least This is this is what is opinion 50 Ocean dives at least 100 feet in depth Because you know what when you do the deep dive certification and you go down three times to 100 feet and you do a few basic skills That's not good enough. You know what let's lower that how about if we put 25 25 Dives in the ocean do at least a hundred feet now That's giving you some real good experience in ocean diving and deep I really think that's important. There's so many things that can go Wrong that you have to be experienced to be able to handle when you're deep At least a hundred feet For sure, so it doesn't need to be 50 50 too many I would say 25 and we may lower that because this is just off the top of my head Mm-hmm Yeah, no, I I agree with that. I think Yeah, 25 is a good number, but it has to be open water for sure ocean and the ocean. Yes. That's what I mean Because again right now. I mean you can literally become an instructor never dive in the ocean Yes, number of dives not for the dive talk badge not for the dive talk exactly Okay, so that's good. So what Um What else should we look at so from from my perspective obviously you have to you know You're already added the deep diving in there You have to be able to dive a night now you have to have the training and have some night dives completed I don't know how many though, but it has to be no visibility for sure That's a very important one. So you and I are an agreement as we usually are look At least 10 night dives. Yeah, I mean you've got to be because what I love about this one Gus is that you've got to be able to know how to Navigate at night. So it's really incorporating a lot of skills That I was going to add to our list later which I have to do with navigation night is a whole nother experience and it's awesome I'm gonna add though that you have to do those night dives Without a professional dive guide leading you Because that's easy I'm talking about you and one other buddy Did at least 10 night dives And come on, it's got to be at least 30 feet or deeper You can't do a 10 foot night dive I think that I think that's meaningful for the dive talk badge now I'm gonna have some respect that you were able to get To and from somewhere on a night dive. I also think we got to put a time frame in there Those dives have to be at least 30 minutes in length Okay, so deeper than 30 feet Can't have a dive guide deeper than Deeper than 30 feet can't have a dive guide and they got to be at least 30 minutes long Yeah, so that and then 10 of them That that's meaningful. I would I would say yeah, you know how to dive a night after that would you would you put in a number of dive requirements like most of you No, no, but I'm talking about just general number of dives. Oh, oh overall. Oh, yeah, you got to have 100 dives Yeah, I might give you the dive talk badge or that 100. I mean right right 100 so okay I've been around I've experienced different buddies different environments different boats different configuration Once you've done a hundred dives. Yeah, the way I think about the batches like anything we throw out you you should be able to dive and like You know that may be not be super comfortable because if we throw you in a cave All right, are we gonna well? We haven't talked about whether or not Kate. I don't think we're I would say no on cave Yeah, and the reason is I do not want to encourage anybody At all at the recreational level to earn our badge and attempt to do something that is outside of your training I was sure actually should have started the show with that If you are not certified to do a deep dive to a hundred feet do not right go for our badge and a matter of fact for safety I just thought of something else if you did One of the check marks like the hundred foot dive and you did at least 50 of those You also have to send us that you have the deep certification Right, so you proved to us that you didn't do that without the training right We cannot let people do something. They're not trained for I'm really glad for sure We brought that up with cave so cave is like a whole another basket And I don't think you and I are qualified to even have people think about doing cave. They need to do Professional cave training with professional cave instructors because there's like diving And then cave is like it's it's an entirely different basket different branch do not do any cave diving at all And think that's any part of our badge for sure um and I think you know it's that is a disclaimer is if there are some skills or challenges that we're throwing out there And you're not certified to do them Don't you have to get certified and then do them and you will not give you the badge in order to get the best You gotta show us that you're certified in that for sure Um the other one is I mean all All right, so caves are out of the picture, but I do think you need to you need to at least have some swim through experience Which you can do even as an open water Uh diver some swim through because you have to in order to have this badge You have to be able to getting to situations where you can't just come up But not panic like be able to swim throughs are different than a for example Let's talk about swim throughs and let's use a wreck if we could okay because I were guys This is live we're thinking of this you're hearing the conversation that Gus and I would have If we were creating this behind the scenes so let's let's do this Gus and an audience To If you were in a wreck, there's a difference as you know between a swim through and a penetration Two different things a penetration Could be a cave right one way in One way out and you could get out of the light zone I do not want that to be part of our qualification now because again If that's cave a swim through is an overhead environment but You don't have to come back out Through your entrance Now the question for you and I is how far how many linear distance do we want for the dive talk swim through A lot of agencies will limit that to like a 30 feet or something of that nature Yeah, yeah, maybe maybe 30 maybe 30 feet at least a swim through a 30 feet in length I would say that would that would yeah That sounds good right of some form there's swim throughs that are underneath reefs that are really cool I love those have to be a wreck like a little tunnel But you can see the light the whole time you're never out of the light zone for sure that's a swim through Yeah, I just you know, it has to be Again, if you're if you're doing a dive in you encounter you're on a wreck and you encounter that you can swim through in these You know 20 feet or whatever from you know, like um, you know at a Deck or whatever you're going through So how many swim do they have to do for the dive talk badge? We have a name jet. I don't know what it's gonna be called. I don't know either But I just feel like you have to be comfortable doing that so I don't I don't know And somebody can do one or two and be like okay, that was awesome Well, they got to be comfortable because what it really the skill that you're adding I think is what you're saying is boy trimming buoyancy are pretty important to swim through correct You just can't be crushing the environment that you're swimming through you got to be neutral to get through that so I like this skill 10 Yeah, that would be good to get our badge. I think so Um and speaking of buoyancy another skill and I don't know how to put this one So we just have to figure this out. Are we gonna remember these or we're gonna have to listen back to the show We're gonna write them up. All right I think that another skill is in terms of buoyancy is you know They have to complete a skill and I'm trying to think what it is maybe Should be the ability to shoot an SMB from death maybe not super deep But without messing your buoyancy by a lot like if you can if you can fire an SMB But you go 30 feet up, you know while you're firing it You probably fail that skill like you have to be able to do something very good one Yeah, and it's not good just because wow it's hard It's a life-saving skill to be able to properly fire fire an SMB from depth in ocean When you're drift diving it is a life-saving skill. I mean I grew up in Florida You have to carry an SMB in a reel When you're drift diving in South Florida Fort Lauderdale West Palm Jupiter you have to So now we got to put some parameters around it I think there's a big difference between firing an SMB at 20 feet on your safety stop versus 50 feet or below that's a lot of reeling That you have to do and a lot of line control so you don't tangle yourself and other people So I'm gonna add you have to fire the SMB from at least 50 feet Yikes nice because that's real now right now you got now you can you know how to handle a real You're not tangle enough yourself and everybody else and if you were on a drift dive It's realistic that you would have to be able to fire that from that depth the question now becomes how many of those 50 feet at least you're firing an SMB how many times because You're gonna take people a while to earn these badges. Well, it's not it's not a at least to me It's not a matter of how many times is a matter of can you do it like if you can come maybe five to ten attempts This is a five great if you if you did it five times. I mean it seems like You for sure have it by I think five is a pretty good number on that one. Yeah, all right five SMB Fireings from 50 feet or below you're able to do very very very good. Make sure you have enough Line on your line proper SMB because some people just have like 30 feet right ten meters of line You need you need you know you need to be prepared for that. Okay. That's a very very good skill. I like that one a lot Yeah, so that's so that's one. I think you need to be able to dive in any temperature So you need to be able to dive with a dry suit To me again, I'm not encouraging anyone to just buy a dry suit and try it You need to get certain about that so it's a challenge But if you're not if you if you want to be able to dive in any temperature Yes, it doesn't necessarily mean you're in a dry suit Well, I guess in any temperature. Yeah, I mean if you're diving in the underneath the ice I don't think you could survive in anything other than a dry suit for sure So that's a big one or that's gonna eliminate a lot of people a lot of people are not dry suit certified, but hey, this is a I think that's a that's pretty valid because A dry suit isn't just for temperature. I mean your entire diving is different correct the way you control buoyancy the way you Deal with where that air bubble is inside that dry suit. It could be in the wrong place at the wrong time Is a real big skill. Yeah, it's a really big skill. I love diving in a dry suit by the way I wish I kind of wish I only for the rest of my life was diving in a dry suit. Yep. Um, well, how many? I just think you need to be able to try so you need to get to get to get to so that your dry suit certified period dry So certified can you dive in any temperature to your dry suit? So you have a dry suit certification for sure and that's it that that's all for that requirement. Yeah, I like that Okay, yeah, you can dive in dry suit sort of for sure um, and and I think that we should have and this is a challenge You know for people But I think you should have a really at least one or two really deep dives with something other than air like something to I don't know 50 meters 60 meters something like that 150 feet um And so that's gonna take some but now you're just limited all recreational divers Well, that's gonna I mean you want the bats or not like I'm just saying Okay, I'm just saying That's fine. I would yeah our badges is a pretty serious badge So in order to dive frankly below Boy, I would say anything below 130 feet you you have to be on a mixed gas you've got to add Helium, yeah, and I know a lot of people listen to this will be like ah such I know someone who Went to 200 on air or whatever. No, we're not encouraging anyone to try that Um, the idea is that you learned the skills To be able to plan a deep dive with a mixed gas That includes helium then are we gonna require them to have a mixed gas certification To earn The 150 foot for safety reasons. I think so I would you say you can't get the 150 mark With that also sending us now your certification Yeah, I don't want it to be dangerous like oh, I'm just gonna go to 150 on air just to get the No, well that it wouldn't count. We got to have a certification. How many dives to 150 or below It's hard, you know, it's hard to get Deep dives in that nature getting helium is harder and harder I mean Yeah, three sounds like a good reasonable for that. It's just take Boats don't go that deep like hard to get that you got to you got to be in a special situation So three dives to 150 feet or deeper and you are certified To do that which is gonna basically require you to have a a mixed gas certification of some sort. Yeah, yeah All right, okay, what else? This is a real deal. This is a tough one All around all around I'm trying to I'm trying to think of something. I don't have so I have to work for the batch I mean, I don't want to name just all the stuff. I can do it just sounds Like I I think you need to like I don't even know what to throw like eyes diver. I'm not an ice diver I'm just trying to get that one. That's one of the ones. What don't I have um? No, I don't know about that one um um You know, the other ones are, I mean, we know what some of the most important classes are. We already talked about that, Joe. We love navigation. It's very important to be able to navigate. So is there anything in the navigation realm? Is like, could we say you had to do a five or six point navigation pattern underwater, which is one of the requirements in a lot of the navigation classes, a certain amount of times. You were able to go to a point, find an object at that object. There's a sign telling you to renavigate to another spot. That's a pretty cool indication that you know how to use your underwater compass, digital or magnetic. That also reminded me of something that I don't have, like, be able to lift a heavy object with a lift bag. Yeah, so that is 100 pounds or something. Love that class. I haven't done that. I'm going to lift bag and I'm going to stretch. I'm a search. It's a search and recovery. It's a class. I'm going to structure so we can, you'll love it because you're navigating to find it and then safely lifting it. There's a lot of playing that goes into that. Super fun. Did you go get like a pipe or something? You were telling me. Many things. I've done anchors lifting up. It's just something about using a lift bag to lift stuff. I used the pipe. That was a jacks day that I ended up finding because we were doing a rescue class to find the missing diver in Lake linear and it was so bad. I'm like, hey, I got an idea. Look at that long PVC pipe. Make it a jacks day. Different. A little bit of a different use. Okay. You have to be able to prove to us that you've navigated a five point or more course underwater. I don't know how many times. No. Can you complete it? Right? It's like an navigation board. No, I don't know. So that's it. You did it. You navigated at least once a five point course of some sort underwater. Yeah. So that's a good one. That's a valid navigation. Yeah. Again, I'm just trying to think of things that I can do that I want to learn. Using a lift bag is a really tricky skill. So that's a good one. I don't think you should lay off that one. That's a good one. Be able to lift an object. I don't know. I don't know what's a good wait for it. That's one thing I don't know what to do. Well then do they just need to show us that they're searching recovery or the equivalent certified? Well, I don't want to make it so it's a certification thing. I also want to do accomplishments. Like the SMB stuff and not messing your buoyancy. There's no certification for that, but you need to be able to do that. So I'm just trying to think of what else is out there. I just don't want them. I don't want them doing lift bags without a certification. I have one. I have one. You need to training. Here's another one. All right. You need to be able to do helicopter kicks and backwards kicks. That's fine. That's a valid skill. Back. So you got to be able to do backwards frog kicks and helicopter turns without using your hands. So you can look those up on the internet. For sure. Those are very important, you know, buoyancy control skills and very handy as well. So at least two helicopter turns. So you're two, three sixties. Yeah. Cannot use your hands and you must maintain depth while you're doing those. You can't be flying up. I would say that was all up to be done within five feet. You didn't go up by more than two and a half or down by more, you know what I'm saying? Yeah. Okay. So two, three, sixty turns. Can't lose more than five feet of buoyancy in either direction, maybe. That's cool. And the back frog kicks, how far backwards do they have to go? How many feet? I don't know. 10 feet is fine. 10 feet is good. Yeah. Those are great. Great skills. Okay. What else? All right. Our badge is serious. He's getting serious. Yeah. I don't know if we should add that. How about we haven't done anything with like the ability to identify marine life. That's what I was thinking. Right. Just ID. I'm just not sure, you know, which ones or what? Like at least multiple species, right? Like identify five species or fish or whatever. I was trying to think because that will be another one that, you know, will be challenging for a lot of people, even expert divers, be able to do that. I just trying to figure out how would we, and we don't have to figure out now, we were going to publish this batch somewhere for people to see it, but I'm just trying to think what else? What do you have that you can do? Is there anything besides ice diving that you're like about to get that one ice diving? So that's, I mean, in the cave world, I don't, I'm not a cave explorer. I can't, I don't know how to do like the, the mapping of caves and all that, but I don't want to get into caves. No, that's a whole nother level. I don't have that certification. We should come up with a cave diving batch just for cave divers. You have to go to Woody's room at peacock. You have to, yeah, it's tough, you know, better have a side mount rebera. You know what? I'll tell you something I don't have. I just thought of it. Something in the maintenance arena in the gear maintenance arena like equipment certified of some sort. Yeah. Learn how to build your regulator, your regulator maintenance person or you can fit a tank or something of that. You are a technician on the rebreeder, right? I'm a rebreeder technician and I'm a gas blender, but I'm not a, I'm not a qualified technician to service your regulator. I can't open it up and service it. I don't have that. I like it that, you know, I went to the shop to fill up, oh, two yesterday, see ventures and I was like, okay, you just show me how to do it. I'll keep an eye on it. I said, well, do you have a gas blender card? Right. I'm like, I left it on amigos, I guess. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's different, amigos. Yeah. You got to be a gas blender at most dive shops too. No, they did it and it was great. But it was just not a thing about 40% or greater O2, you got to be a gas blender. Or well, that's not true. Nitrox in general, you got to be a gas blender. Yeah, for sure. That's what I have. That is nice. That's a good class, actually. What else? We've set some really hard ones. I'm running out of things to think about. You've set all the kicks, the hardest of the kicks, for sure. What are some things that were hard to master? I'm just trying to think like when, like, just as a master diver or whatever, like, I'm just trying to think what else is out there. I think drift dives should be included. You have to have experience drift diving. Right. And that happens all over the world. So whoever's listening can do that. I have drift dives, that's fine. That's not that hard to. Frankly, I think they're pretty relaxing and mellow. I prefer to drift dive. Jump into Cosmell and just drift away. We may get some suggestions, too, out there, by the way. Some of the listeners may say, I would add this one. You didn't think of this or that, to get this dive talk badge of honor. Exactly. Do you have to be a rescue diver to get the badge? Yeah, I think so. I mean, that's really important. Yeah. You got to be at least a rescue diver. That's very, very important. Okay, we've added that one. All right, so we have deep diving, night rescue. We'll have to go back and listen to all the things we've said. Navigate, yeah. Super kills. We said, yeah, certain skills. I'm trying to think very deep. Yeah, I'm trying to think what else. I think you should be able to guide a group. Do you think, or is that too much like dive guiding? Like planet dive because we do, I've done this before. Before I was a dive guide, like six of us or eight of us would meet to dive somewhere. And okay, what are we doing? Come up with a plan. Follow me. So you have to prove that you were the leader. Well, do it. Like, and again, I'm not sure some of this is going to be based on the honor system. Like, you know, we can't confirm that you, that you guided five people or whatever or six. So some of it is going to have to be based on honor. But I just wonder if it's worth doing that. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The main thing for me is you need to be able to dive in any scenario. So we thought about deep diving. We thought about night. We thought about, you know, cold water, warm water, whatever. Be able to fire an SMB. I'm just trying to think what else it's out there. Yeah, I mean, I'm running out because how about swimming on the water? What's a good distance that you have to be able to do? Make it a challenge, but also not impossible. Most people can do 30 feet pretty easily. Okay. So it has to be a challenge. 40 feet? Hmm. Could be. I mean, yeah. Just don't end out there. We could think about that, but at least 40 feet underwater. 40 feet underwater, which is 12 meters or so for everyone outside of the US. So yeah, that'll be good. 40 or 50, but it has to be challenging, obviously, something that you can accomplish, but challenging. What about swim-wise? Should we consider any swimming or? Because we do swim tests for dive guide, for instructor, for dive massive, for essentially every level. I mean, we have to do a swim test for open water. There's swim tests everywhere. I just don't know if it should be part of the batch, but what we're trying to do is make complete diverse. The other thing is, and I don't know if what you think about this, but should you be able to explain how you would use dive tables? Like, is that a thing? No. No, no. Okay. Nope. Don't like that one. I don't think it's something I'd want to encourage. So. Okay. Yeah. No. I don't need to do that one in my opinion. I don't think that's. I don't know. I kind of feel pretty good about what we have. That's why I'm stopped because I, boy, if they could do all of those things, that's a, what about length? That's a really good diver right there. How about dive length? Dive length. Should we make it so you at least have to have over an hour, like several dives that were more than an hour. So if you're sucking through your tank in 20 minutes, you have to learn how to control. Yeah. Good one. Right? The high length is a good one. Yeah. Dives at least one hour or more. Yeah. I would tell you have to have at least 10. Yeah, because I think, I think that most divers, you know, are around the 45 minute mark. Like that is how much they last 40, 45 minutes or whatever. So you started going over an hour pretty consistently as you could use to breathing and learning your pattern and all of that. Okay. So 10 one hour dives on the your belt. Okay. I like that one. That's good. And I think that's it. I think we ought to I think that's pretty good right because we can go back and review this later and there's anything else we want to add or anybody out there thought of something else. Let us know. But this is a good all around diver. That person that we just talked about can do just about anything. Yeah, for sure. And we want to encourage people again. So you know, if you if you hear this list and you're like, I can already do all this stuff then think about what your batch would be like perhaps learning how to getting certified and, you know, becoming a cave diver might be what's on your list, maybe learning how to dive on their eyes or perhaps ecology stuff. Like whatever it is, your batch, like we're encouraging people to gain more skills in 2021. I mean, 2020 was pretty crappy. A lot of classes were canceled and people, you know, like we have we have friends that haven't dove at all on the re-breather since last year, which I would be suicidal. It's brutal. I think. So then we'll also have to think of the badge and what we'll send you and what you have to send us to prove. We've got to put some rules around this and we'll do that. We will tighten this up right now. This is just a general theme and then we'll put some rules around it. And yeah, this would be a really cool badge to earn. For sure. Okay. So yeah, that's it. I hope, you know, we'll see you guys in a couple weeks getting close to the end of the year and looking forward to hearing your suggestions for our dive talk, complete diver, badass diver, whatever, whatever we call it. We'll call it something. BAD, badass diver. I think the bad batch. No. I don't know about that. Just brainstorming, but yeah, that's it. Anyway, if you have any suggestions info at divetalkmedia.com is our website. We'll self Twitter at divetalkmedia. If you have any suggestions, let us know. But other than that, anything else to add? That's it. I think I'm looking forward to we'll put some rules together over the next week or so about this. And then we'll get those posted. Sounds good. Save diving guys. Bye, everyone.