title: Dylan Patel — Deep dive on the 3 big bottlenecks to scaling AI compute
author: Dwarkesh Podcast
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publication: Dwarkesh Podcast
published: 2026-03-13T16:00:42+00:00
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All right, this is the episode of my roommate teaches me semiconductors.
It's also the sendoff for this current set.
Yeah, you know, after you use it, I'm like, I can't use this again.
I got to get out here.
No sloppy seconds for Dorken.
Okay, Dylan is the CEO of semi-analysis.
Dylan, the burning question I have for you, if you add up the big four, Amazon,
meta, Google, Microsoft, their combined forecasted cabbacks that you published recently,
this year is $600 billion.
and given, you know, yearly prices of renting that compute, that would be like close to 50 gigawatts.
Now, obviously, we're not putting on 50 gigawatts this year.
So presumably that's paying for compute that is going to be coming online over the coming years.
So I have a question about how to think about the timeline around when that CAPEX comes online.
Similar question for the labs where, you know, Open AI just announced that they raised $110 billion.
Anthropic just announced they raised $30 billion.
and if you look at the compute that they have coming online this year,
you should tell me how much it is,
but is it not,
is it not another four gigawatts total that they'll have this year?
It feels like the cost to rent the compute that Open AI and Anthropic will have this year
to like sustain their compute spend at, you know, $10, $13 billion a gigawatt.
Those individual raises alone are like enough to cover their compute spend for the year.
And then this is not even including the revenue that they're going to earn this year.
So help me understand first.
First, when is the time scale at which the big tech CAPEX is actually coming online?
And two, what are the labs raising all this money for if like the yearly price of a one gigawatt data center is like $13 billion?
So when you talk about the CAPX of these hyperscalers, right, on the order of $600 billion, and you look at the cross the rest of the supply chain, gets you to on the order of a trillion dollars.
A portion of this is, you know, immediately for compute going online this year, right?
the chips and the other parts of CAPEX that do get paid this year.
But there's a lot of setup CAPEX as well, right?
So when we have, when we're talking about 20 gigawatts this year in America, roughly,
incremental.
Incremental added capacity.
A portion of this is not spent this year.
A portion of that CAPX has actually spent the prior year.
And so when you look at, hey, Google's got $180 billion.
Actually, a big chunk of that is spent on turbine deposits for 28 and 29.
A chunk of that is spent on data center construction for 27.
A chunk of that is spent on, you know, power purchasing agreements and down payments and all these other things that they're doing for further out into the future so that they can set up this super fast scaling, right?
And this applies to all the hyperscalers and other people in the supply chain.
And so, you know, 20 gigawatts roughly deployed this year, a big chunk of that being hypers, a chunk of not being.
And all of these companies, their biggest customers are Anthropic and Open AI.
Anthropic and Open AI are in the, you know, two gigawatt and, you know, two and a half gigawatt
and one and a half gigawatts roughly right now.
They're trying to scale too much larger, right?
If you look at what Anthropic has done over the last few months, you know, $4 billion,
six billion revenue added, and if we just draw a straight line, hey, yeah, they'll add another
$6 billion of revenue a month.
People would argue that's bearish and that they should go faster.
What that implies is that they're going to add $60 billion of revenue across the next
10 months, right? And $60 billion of revenue at the current gross margins that Anthropic had,
at least last reported by media, would imply that they have, you know, roughly $40 billion
of compute spend for that inference for that 60 bill of revenue. That 40 billion of compute at roughly
$10 billion a gigawatt rental cost means that they need to add four gigawatts of inference capacity
just to grow revenue. And that's saying that their research and development training fleet
stays flat, right?
So, you know, in a sense,
Anthropic needs to get to well above
5 gigawatts by the end of this year,
and it's going to be really tough for them to get there,
but it's possible.
Can I ask a question about that?
So if Anthropic was not on track
to have 5 gigawatts by the end of this year,
but it needs that to serve both
the revenue that's gone crazier than expected,
and maybe it's going to be even more than that,
plus the research and training to make sure its models
are good enough for next year,
how, where is that going to come from?
You know, Dario, when he was on your podcast,
podcast was very, very, like, conservative.
He's like, you know, I'm not going to go crazy on compute because if my revenue inflex